The aim of the human society must be to achieve a socio-economic system which will abolish the capitalistic system, abolishing the manual labour.
In order to achieve such a socio-economic system, where people have equal opportunity, people must be free to teach their own progeny based on the respect of Planet Earth’s balance.

How is this possible?

The only way, to me, is to grow people up by adopting the free circulation of the ideas, by fruitful debates which give critic sense free from the capitalistic logic of profit, finally by being aware of what the aim of the human society is.

This is the reason why forums like this must exist and flourish.

World’s conditions are still catastrophic, considering that only a tiny percentage of workers are able to communicate freely with others by the use of internet. Moreover, considering that only a smaller percentage of this tiny number of workers is actually interested and positively aware of the class struggle, we must do something.

Debates about the revolution of this unbalanced socio-economic system to achieve a better one, must spread like oil stains.

Therefore:

What is the most efficient way to engage workers?

What shall we do?

Action please!

Cesco wrote:The aim of the human society must be to achieve a socio-economic system which will abolish the capitalistic system, abolishing the manual labour.

Abolishing the manual labour or abolishing the wage labour?

Abolishing the manual labour or abolishing the wage labour?

ok with gian maria (we says "bien vu!" in french)

Abolishing manual labour.

Simply because it is the only way to eliminate the division of labour.

Automation will be the only solution to this. An economic system based on the common production will not destroy per se the division of labour which creates alienation.

The only kind of contribution that people will give to an evolved economic system as communism must be their supervision of automatic systems. The future system of production must be so advanced that must make Humans free from any sort of manual labour.

We cannot imagine that at a certain point all the people will cooperate in sharing the fruit of the production, even though they will still do different job requiring different competences in order to produce.

A society of equal opportunities must find a way to abolish the division of labour, which to me means abolition of manual labour.

A very curious conception of a socialism without working class. The division of labour is not between manual and intellectual workers, and an intellectual employee can be as much alienated than a manual. ( & it's supposed that the machines could replace the man in all, absolutely all, manual functions in the production?)

lucien wrote:( & it's supposed that the machines could replace the man in all, absolutely all, manual functions in the production?)

Furthermore, who will produce the machines?

Probably a socialist society without working class seems very curious but to Frederick Engels in the The Principles of Communism, 1847, in a communist society

“the existence of classes originated in the division of labour, and the division of labour, as it has been known up to the present, will completely disappear.”

“Communist society will, in this way, make it possible for its members to put their comprehensively developed faculties to full use. But, when this happens, classes will necessarily disappear. It follows that society organized on a communist basis is incompatible with the existence of classes on the one hand, and that the very building of such a society provides the means of abolishing class differences on the other.”

A communist society can take place only by taking over the most developed capitalist society. It is not a mystery that the industrial production can be completely substituted by unmanned factories. One example of those factories is in Japan Seibu Electric created by Tetsuro Mori.

Since I am nobody I will once again quote Frederick Engels from the same text:

“The form of the division of labour which makes one a peasant, another a cobbler, a third a factory worker, a fourth a stock-market operator, has already been undermined by machinery and will completely disappear.”

Who will produce the machines?

As already mentioned the communist society will come from the most developed capitalist society. Therefore, structures and infrastructures will be taken from the current system. It is unreasonable to think that a communist society will have any chance of success when the capitalist system is not highly developed.

People’s contributions to the production of goods in a communist system must be reduced to standardised intellectual performances.

This does not mean that people will not have the possibility to perform any manual work. This simply means that manual labour aiming to produce goods will be abolished.

These standardised intellectual performances will concern the supervision of the unmanned systems of production.

People will be unchained to the system of production by knowing exactly how it works.

“Education will enable young people quickly to familiarize themselves with the whole system of production and to pass from one branch of production to another in response to the needs of society or their own inclinations.”

It is unreasonable to think that a communist society will have any chance of success when the capitalist system is not highly developed.

Then, let us accept our fate while waiting for the kingdom of the robots?

[/quote]Then, let us accept our fate while waiting for the kingdom of the robots?[/quote]

I have never said to wait for something.

Conversely, I am just trying to do what a Marxist should do:

Work out a better system than the current one.

"Marxism in Western Europe is the world view of a working class confronting the task of converting a most highly developed capitalism, its own world of life and action, into communism." (Anton Pannekoek, Lenin as Philosopher
Chapter 7,The Russian Revolution)

Cesco wrote:Probably a socialist society without working class seems very curious but to Frederick Engels in the The Principles of Communism, 1847, in a communist society

“the existence of classes originated in the division of labour, and the division of labour, as it has been known up to the present, will completely disappear.”

“Communist society will, in this way, make it possible for its members to put their comprehensively developed faculties to full use. But, when this happens, classes will necessarily disappear. It follows that society organized on a communist basis is incompatible with the existence of classes on the one hand, and that the very building of such a society provides the means of abolishing class differences on the other.”

A communist society can take place only by taking over the most developed capitalist society. It is not a mystery that the industrial production can be completely substituted by unmanned factories. One example of those factories is in Japan Seibu Electric created by Tetsuro Mori.

Since I am nobody I will once again quote Frederick Engels from the same text:

“The form of the division of labour which makes one a peasant, another a cobbler, a third a factory worker, a fourth a stock-market operator, has already been undermined by machinery and will completely disappear.”

I think the (rigid) division of work will disappear (along with the classes), but not the workers.

Cesco wrote:Who will produce the machines?

As already mentioned the communist society will come from the most developed capitalist society. Therefore, structures and infrastructures will be taken from the current system.

It is unreasonable to think that a communist society will have any chance of success when the capitalist system is not highly developed.

People’s contributions to the production of goods in a communist system must be reduced to standardised intellectual performances.

This does not mean that people will not have the possibility to perform any manual work. This simply means that manual labour aiming to produce goods will be abolished.

These standardised intellectual performances will concern the supervision of the unmanned systems of production.

What will happen when the machines go out of order?
And do you think there won't be progress in a socialist society?

Your view seems utopian to me.