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    Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:00 pm

    What is the Luxembourgist concept of democracy? I am curious and don't fully understand it (please explain, don't just post her writing)

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Atreides on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:04 pm

    In english, the views of "Communist Democracy (Luxemburgist)" :

    * Communist Democracy (Luxemburgist)

    * For Democratic Communism

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:17 pm

    But here in America at least, why would the people not just vote in favor of capitalism (as there is termendous fear of socialism)?

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  luxemburguista on Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:03 pm

    Perhaps, it can be interesting another text that there is in this Forum
    http://luxemburgism.forumr.net/political-theory-f2/rosa-luxemburgs-concept-of-democracy-t57.htm
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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:05 pm

    That link does not work for me.

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  luxemburguista on Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:18 pm

    It´s an archive in pdf of Pablo Slavin, a companion from Argentine. The text has 10 pages. If you can´t open it, I can send to you by mail (if you give me it). But I am sure that the link is well.
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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Anon on Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:42 pm

    Nevermind, I got it (I opened it using a different program).


    So I take it that her vision of democracy is democracy for the working class and poor regardless of party, and not the bourgeois?

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Guest on Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:04 pm

    I think I might be a Luxembourgist, but I don't quite know yet. May someone please explain her idea of socialist democracy to me without just posting different writings?

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  luxemburguista on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:02 pm

    Sorry for my poor English

    Rosa raised the democracy as real power of the proletariat. But of the whole proletariat, not of a part (a party). That supposed (and supposes today) understanding and accepting that the proletariat is diverse, it is not homogeneous. Even changeable. This is not negative, quite the opposite. In the assemblies, this diversity would enrich the debates opposite to the monolithic nature and the sclerosis, and would avoid the authoritarian and dictatorial tendencies.

    You can find his clearest references to the question in two works that she wrote as criticism of Lenin and the Bolsheviks: Organizational Questions of the Russian Social Democracy and The Russian Revolution (in the MIA you can see them)

    But perhaps the most important today is that Rosa extracted a few practical conclusions of her democratic conceptions: especially the need to respect the freedom of expression and also the freedom of action or experimentation. And the freedom of criticism.

    To be "luxembugist", although it is important to read the texts of RL and other luxemburgists, is more linked precisely to have clear these democratic principles that always defend the equality between all and the freedom of all. Because without this equality and freedom it is impossible to construct the socialism. Rosa (and many others) knew it and the history gave him the reason.
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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  Guest on Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:08 pm

    That is what I thought, thanks. I will read her texts in the next few days, thank you Very Happy

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    Re: Luxembourgist Democracy

    Post  ElIndio on Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:58 pm

    Hi,

    First off, welcome and don't hesitate to sign up in the forum.

    I would also add one element to what Luxemburguista said. Not only RL stood for democracy and freedom (the Party should not create a dictatorship over the working class, freedom of speech, etc.) but she also defended the idea that genuine social movements are way better than a political revolutionary made up of "specialists" (ie leninist parties).

    Studying the Russian revolution of 1905 (see her work "The Mass Strike) she said that social movements are sponteneous, that they can lead themselves building their own democratic councils... and that they are more revolutionary than the leadership of a revolutionary party.

    She was not against the existence of a revolutionary party. She did think it was necessary but it should be a help for the working class (and democratic of course) not a "leader" telling proleterians what to do.

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